Red Snapper was one of the most unusual acts to come from the great British electronic movement of the 90s. Ostensibly a live jazz band, they incorporated elements of techno, electro, hip-hop and even rockabilly to make an unusual, often great, noise. Having split up in 2002, the band’s core trio has reformed to play at Bloc and other selected dates this year. I caught up with drummer and Snapper spokesman Richard Thair to talk about why they split, their new line-up and ‘This Is England’…
Hey Richard, how are things?
“Everything’s great, thanks. I live in Wales now with my wife and kids. I bought a big house with an orchard on the side of a mountain and have a big studio - it’s much cheaper than London! I’ve recorded five albums since I moved down here, it’s all library music to pay the bills.”
So how come Red Snapper is reforming?
“Last Xmas, David (Ayers) and Ali (Friend) came down to my place. We did some music together because we wanted to see if we could use what we were jamming for a film soundtrack. The session went really well and then out of the blue, we were given the chance to headline one of the stages at the Big Chill festival. We also got the chance to work with a new jazz guy, Tom Challenger, he plays sax and clarinet with us - so we said let’s forget the vocalist and go back to jazz, punk and rockabilly. That’s how it all came together. Since we started working together, we have recorded five new tracks. I’m not saying that these will be on a new LP, but hopefully they will get some kind of release.”
How did the Big Chill headline gig happen?
“They were the ones who had commissioned us to do the film soundtrack, so that was the connection. Since then we have toured all over eastern Europe - we just got back from Prague the other day - as well as in Russia, playing at a festival to 5,000 people! We have a tour of the UK coming up, including the gig at Bloc, and we hope to play at some of the festivals in Europe this summer.”
How come you split up in the first place?
“The last proper album that we did was in 2000, ‘Our Aim Is To Satisfy Red Snapper’ for Warp, but we also did a remix album for Lo after that. We had decided to call it a day a year before the Lo release because even though the last album for Warp did well, they decided to drop us after ‘Our Aim…. Bizarre, but I’m sure they had their reasons - we’re not Maximo Park after all!”
So what does your new music sound like?
“It’s very raw and very representative about how we feel about music generally. We used to sample ourselves a lot, but this is a much more basic and stripped back sound, just the guitars, drums, double bass and sax. There is so much mediocre guitar music about now and what we’re doing is totally un-manufactured, we’re just following our feelings.”
You’ve been absent for more than five years: are you worried that all your old fans are into something else now?
“We’re more interested in attracting the new generation, but at the same time, it is incredible how many people have come out of the woodwork. At the time, we were a special little secret for a lot of people who were into electronic music, but those people are older now and things have come full circle and live music is much more in vogue than when we were at our most popular. When the three of us talked about reforming, we said that the worst scenario is that we get all the old Snapper fans coming along to the gigs and just a few new ones, which wouldn’t be a bad situation.”
What other changes have you noticed since the last time you were around?
“Well, what isn’t going to happen anymore is that people rush out to buy our new 12”. I think there is a future for vinyl, but not on the scale that we were used to. Illegal downloading has eaten away at sales, but I think if we were to release a new album tomorrow, our profile would mean we’d sell more than some new rave bunch… hopefully!”
What’s it like not having a vocalist anymore?
“We’re much happier without one at the moment, unless of course we can find one who can write amazing lyrics - why would we pass that up? One of the problems with Warp was that near the end, we felt that we lost creative control. They were pushing us heard to reach our ‘commercial potential’ and that’s what fucked us up in the end.”
Warp was smart to move into films: what do you make of ‘This Is England’?
“They have always been clever, were always looking ahead to see how could they do new things. They were the first to do something like Bleep and now their film venture. I’ve seen ‘England’ and think it’s great, I just wonder how long Mark Herbert, its director, will stay with them. Having won the Bafta, he must be getting some great offers at the moment…”
Finally, ‘Hot Flush’ is your best-known track: do you feel it’s a bit of a milestone around your neck?
“Why, because Weatherall remixed it?! No, I came from electronic music, that’s my background, so I still love it. It led a lot of people to the other music we did. We still play it live and it kicked off the other night in Prague when we performed it. Who knows, maybe if Weatherall hadn’t remixed it, it wouldn’t have been such a popular tune. I’m just happy it did so well and so many people liked it - one thing I have learnt is that it’s always good to be grateful for what you’ve got.”
